ENERGY SYSTEM

[10:15:01 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Posted in the Energy System thread.
[10:15:16 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : You people don't realise that we're not hindering creativity.
[10:15:32 07/08/13] Savato : Welcome back!
[10:15:33 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : There won't be a set amount of damage or a turn based system. The energy would be taken from your character after rolling the encounter.
[10:15:34 07/08/13] Akanewie : I'm back!
[10:15:48 07/08/13] Akanewie : Can't... Focus....
[10:15:58 07/08/13] Akanewie : Words.... Tooo... complecated...
[10:16:01 07/08/13] Akanewie : Complicated*
[10:16:04 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : For example, you're in Pecha Forest. The penalty for going there was 0 energy. So your character in this example has 10 energy left.
[10:16:24 07/08/13] Savato :
Spoiler:

[10:16:33 07/08/13] Savato : So you like complicated words?
[10:16:41 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : You roll the dice and it ends up an encounter. The encounter depending on rarity would minus a certain amount of energy as a penalty for battling it.
[10:16:53 07/08/13] Akanewie : Shoot what? .-.
[10:16:59 07/08/13] Akanewie : WHat is this....
[10:17:05 07/08/13] Akanewie : What iiiiiiiiiiiis this, Sav?
[10:17:24 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : The RPer can handle that battle in any way he or she sees fit. The different moves used by the opponent do not count as more energy losses.
[10:17:26 07/08/13] Savato : Basically a site for obscure and/or complicated words. ^^
[10:17:46 07/08/13] Akanewie : Oh maaaaan.
[10:17:52 07/08/13] Akanewie : Oh ho maaaaaaaaaan...
[10:18:56 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : I still would rather have the level restriction bar in place. That's me though
[10:19:19 07/08/13] Savato : It's strange. I've never chosen anything pertaining to war, yet all three of my nations are among the least pacifistic ones in the region.
[10:19:36 07/08/13] Akanewie : What about nations?
[10:19:44 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : They must've helped in that atWar match and donated bombers.
[10:19:59 07/08/13] Akanewie : I thought we were talking about weird sites which coucadja;
[10:20:04 07/08/13] Akanewie : I can't type anymore. ;-;
[10:20:08 07/08/13] Akanewie : Man dpwn.
[10:20:15 07/08/13] Savato : Nationstates nations. It's a browsergame-something where you can create and rule your own nations. ^^
[10:20:25 07/08/13] Akanewie : oooh
[10:20:45 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Sav's nations are just Chaos...
[10:20:54 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Nothing else
[10:21:07 07/08/13] Akanewie : Ahh
[10:21:26 07/08/13] Akanewie : Is it pretty intertaining?
[10:21:31 07/08/13] Akanewie : entertaining(
[10:21:33 07/08/13] Akanewie : **
[10:21:38 07/08/13] Savato : Entertaining it is.
[10:21:46 07/08/13] Savato : My nations are not chaotic though.
[10:21:51 07/08/13] Savato : Well...Parvoria is.
[10:22:04 07/08/13] Savato : Parvoria: Try to get the most psychotic nation ever.
[10:22:16 07/08/13] Akanewie : xD
[10:22:23 07/08/13] Savato : the Board: Chess-themed, trying to be extremely oppressive and controlling.
[10:22:24 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Debate on the energy system initiated?
[10:22:29 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : I'm gonna see if I can successfully play MarioKart.
[10:22:40 07/08/13] Savato : Savatoria: FOR SCIENCE! (How I would actually choose)
[10:22:43 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : What Serene?
[10:22:55 07/08/13] Akanewie : The board.... Chess-theme?
[10:23:08 07/08/13] Akanewie : Controlling and oppressive....?
[10:23:14 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : A level bar does not fix the issue with people rolling ass tonnes of times to get items though.
[10:23:16 07/08/13] Savato : Yep.
[10:23:26 07/08/13] Savato :
Spoiler:

[10:23:29 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : /late because cbox wasn't loading I just realised.
[10:23:29 07/08/13] Akanewie : Why da'eck am I thinking of Homestuck?
[10:23:31 07/08/13] Akanewie : /shot.
[10:23:35 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : .
[10:24:07 07/08/13] Akanewie : Too much words.
[10:24:12 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Well Serene, one problem is the fact that sometimes topics need to just be skimmed through every once in awhile...
[10:24:18 07/08/13] Akanewie : Jeez, I feel low. @.@
[10:24:23 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : skimmed through?
[10:24:24 07/08/13] Savato : I do think, that an energy system makes sense, although it should have the energy based on Level and Evolutionary stage without taking total base stats into account.
[10:24:36 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : How many topics are actually active right now by people we don't know if they'll abuse it.
[10:24:51 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Only maybe a few
[10:25:08 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : It would be based on level as well and base stats increase as pokemon evolve anyway
[10:25:13 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Not a whole ton of users really due abuse it.
[10:25:32 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : do*
[10:25:41 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : I am not getting what point you're trying to make Mexter..
[10:25:45 07/08/13] Savato : Yeah, but there are third-stages with them lower than others, so noone would want to RP as those Pokémon.
[10:26:09 07/08/13] Savato : Mexter is trying to say, that there isn't that much of a problem in the first place.
[10:26:11 07/08/13] Suds : Yo
[10:26:12 07/08/13] Akanewie : Yooooooo suds!
[10:26:13 07/08/13] Savato : Welcome!
[10:26:20 07/08/13] Suds : Congrats Mex :3
[10:26:20 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : I don't see why people would care more about the stats than the pokemon they rp Sav. I really don't
[10:26:35 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : And Mex just because you don't see the problem doesn't mean there isn't one.
[10:26:56 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : What is the main problem besides abusing the roll system.
[10:27:00 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : The energy system as a whole would honestly fix a lot of problems I as the head admin have had with the site for a while now.
[10:27:02 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Godmodding is one.
[10:27:07 07/08/13] Savato : I don't either, but I think it would happen.
[10:27:27 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : .
[10:27:40 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : suds
[10:27:42 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : SUDS*
[10:27:46 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : https://pmd-roleplay.forumotion.org/t2131-energy-system#33772
[10:27:46 07/08/13] Savato : The Lvl. 5 Caterpie being in the Mountains of DEATH, DOOM and DESTRUCTION seems to be an issue as well.
[10:27:48 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : GO GIVE YO OPINION.
[10:28:00 07/08/13] Akanewie : Oh jeez. First off they complainn that Pokemons like Gengar would be equal to a Sableye if theyd id this and now they saying that it's a bit unfair that pokemon that are weaker doesn't get the same treatment as the higher Pokemon like a Meowth with a Torchic.
[10:28:05 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Yup.
[10:28:10 07/08/13] Akanewie : OH SHOOT I MADE A LONG ONE.
[10:28:23 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : *cough*Level bar..*cough*
[10:28:25 07/08/13] Akanewie : I can't read my own words. @>@
[10:28:32 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Okay let's say this...
[10:28:38 07/08/13] Akanewie : Oi, i still haven't read much. @.@
[10:28:44 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : And while a level cap on each dungeon fixes that, it doesn't fix the issue with people abusing the dice roll system.
[10:28:44 07/08/13] Akanewie : I read a bit, not much.
[10:29:26 07/08/13] Akanewie : Then again, I'm a stipid as a drunk, don't trst em.
[10:29:38 07/08/13] Savato : We could set a limit of 1 encounter per page and one item per player per page maybe.
[10:29:52 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Serene the problem with the dice roll system is you made 5 posts a bit too small in my opinion. The first Dice roll I can understand but if it's 5 posts everytime for every type of dice roll, that's how they can spam it.
[10:30:07 07/08/13] Akanewie : Didin't we already do that Sav>
[10:30:13 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : But that's especially harsh on explorers doing missions.
[10:30:24 07/08/13] Savato : True as well...
[10:30:34 07/08/13] Suds : I agree, Jay
[10:30:42 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : THe first 5 posts in a thread I can understand.
[10:30:46 07/08/13] Akanewie : You find a lot of items in a common PMD mission.
[10:30:55 07/08/13] Akanewie : In the games that is.
[10:31:05 07/08/13] Suds : It does seem like people are not considering the energy
[10:31:32 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : My problem with not limiting it beforehand is that explorers often need to roll a lot of times to get the items they need for a job. If I put too high of a restriction on it it might make it ridiculously hard for people to complete item collecting missions.
[10:31:33 07/08/13] Akanewie : I dunbno poop about the energy, suds. xD
[10:31:36 07/08/13] Savato : Maybe the rerity system should be changed. Extremely Rares and Rares are too common in my opinion, so that might balance things a bit.
[10:31:38 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : I know Suds. It's really annoying me.
[10:31:45 07/08/13] Suds : Wait a sec
[10:31:50 07/08/13] Savato : *rarity
[10:31:59 07/08/13] Suds : When did Kat become an SAdmin?
[10:32:03 07/08/13] Suds : Admin*
[10:32:08 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : The rarity system is going to be changed when I update the dice with images anyway.
[10:32:17 07/08/13] Savato : Ah...good. ^^
[10:32:42 07/08/13] Akanewie : How ar eyou gonna do that? O.o
[10:32:52 07/08/13] Savato : With ADMIN magic!
[10:33:00 07/08/13] Suds : I was scrolling to the top when I noticed Kat was red /shot
[10:33:00 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Aka there's a lot you can do with the Admin panal
[10:33:03 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : panel*
[10:33:14 07/08/13] Akanewie : Thatt seems a bit hard, I mean, you'd have to code, right?
[10:33:29 07/08/13] Akanewie : For each secioun of a thread too.
[10:33:53 07/08/13] Akanewie : I don't know mych about being an admid, but I think I know that. =/
[10:33:58 07/08/13] Suds : Brb
[10:34:00 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Also when I do update it, items and encouters will be rolled into one dice anyways.
[10:34:03 07/08/13] Savato : See ya!
[10:34:04 07/08/13] Akanewie : Okay.
[10:34:15 07/08/13] Akanewie : Meh, I lost you. =/
[10:34:24 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : I might end up putting the energy values lost on the image if we do go through with it.
[10:34:28 07/08/13] Akanewie : Then again, I need to go and get a life. xD
[10:34:53 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : One thing I'm worried a bit about is the energy itself.
[10:35:07 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : How do we know that all the users will follow the rule.
[10:35:10 07/08/13] Akanewie : Yeah, gonna go nowa dn stop bothering you guys. Night!
[10:35:19 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : People aren't explaining very well what they're worried about though Mex.
[10:35:26 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Because i'll be enforcing it.
[10:35:47 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : So You'll be checking in threads making sure people are doign that?
[10:35:49 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : I need to employ more mods anyhow.
[10:35:49 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : doing*
[10:35:57 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : because if you do that...
[10:35:57 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : And I know Kat gets around the site a lot.
[10:35:58 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Yes.
[10:36:18 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Why don't you check in on threads to make sure Dice aren't getting spammed.
[10:36:26 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : It's a lot easier to keep a track of.
[10:36:42 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Because I wouldn't be doing it for eternity Mex.
[10:36:52 07/08/13] Savato : The problem being the definition of "spammed" I guess.
[10:37:03 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : I'd do it for the first few months to make sure everyone understood the system properly and uses it.
[10:37:14 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Then the new users come in
[10:37:38 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Once i'm happy i'll leave it to the mods to keep an eye on threads.
[10:37:45 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : I just need more trustworthy moderators.
[10:38:46 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Serene by saying you'll leave it to the moderators also answers the question above.
[10:38:53 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : [10:36:18] MexterInfinite : Why don't you check in on threads to make sure Dice aren't getting spammed.
[10:39:13 07/08/13] Suds : ...
[10:39:17 07/08/13] Suds : Brb still
[10:39:28 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Okay Mex I just think this system is a smoother way to run the site. It makes it feel much more organised as well as being an easy way to fix many problems I have with it.
[10:40:00 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : What are all the problems? Every problem that this could fix?
[10:40:29 07/08/13] Savato : I guess the system would provide a more exact way to define "spamming" of dice and would remove the grey area,
[10:41:09 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Oh my god I am so fed up of this right now.[10:41:40 07/08/13] Savato : Maybe we should talk about this later when we all had time to think about it...
[10:42:25 07/08/13] Savato : It doesn't seem as if we're getting anywhere with this discussion at the moment.
[10:42:44 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : All dungeons being accessed by everyone regardless of level/difficulty, item die spamming, no consequences for encounters whether you win or lose, providing a better use for berries and other such items(as they can recover energy), giving more use to the shops board as items are too easily obtained, limiting access to dungeons and items will encourage others to buy and sell instead of going out to find the items on their own.
[10:43:35 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Less god-modding and more chances to faint, not every team will then be perfect since there is actually a chance of failing missions which currently there is not.

[10:52:38 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Meeper, I'd just like to point out that I have many misgivings about the energy system
[10:53:07 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Well then say them and i'll address them.
[10:53:19 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : I can't do anything if I don't know them can I?
[10:53:35 07/08/13] antonm1107 : while it doesn't hinder creativity in the traditional sense, it gives people more meta reasons for doing things such as item hunting
[10:53:38 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : .
[10:53:51 07/08/13] antonm1107 : because previously, the only reason for item hunting was getting tms or joy ribbons and the like
[10:54:00 07/08/13] antonm1107 : with such a system in place, there's even more incentive for munchkinism
[10:54:23 07/08/13] antonm1107 : getting items for the sake of getting items rather than for any plot reasons
[10:54:27 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : But with the system people would only be able to find a certain amount of items before they use up all their energy.
[10:54:43 07/08/13] antonm1107 : true
[10:54:52 07/08/13] Suds : OK
[10:54:58 07/08/13] Suds : I posted my opinion
[10:55:02 07/08/13] antonm1107 : but regardless, with such a system people think about ways to trick the system or find ways to get around it
[10:55:06 07/08/13] antonm1107 : rather than just roleplay
[10:55:14 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Only you ant. *sigh*
[10:55:28 07/08/13] antonm1107 : No
[10:55:31 07/08/13] antonm1107 : not only me
[10:55:42 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Most people that join a RP site join because they want to RP, not find ways to cheat the systems set in place on the site.
[10:55:51 07/08/13] antonm1107 : I just want to roleplay and find ways to make things interesting
[10:55:54 07/08/13] antonm1107 : and yes, some people want to RP
[10:56:00 07/08/13] antonm1107 : everybody wants to*
[10:56:13 07/08/13] antonm1107 : but with such restraints, they'll feel limited in what they can do
[10:56:26 07/08/13] antonm1107 : and that isn't necessarily positive
[10:56:36 07/08/13] Suds : ...
[10:56:50 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : The only restraints are that energy is taken when you enter a dungeon, encounter a pokemon or find an item. All logical things that do not restraint the creativity of people on the site.
[10:57:08 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Well they're not even restraints.
[10:57:09 07/08/13] Savato : Still here.
[10:57:13 07/08/13] Suds : Wait
[10:57:24 07/08/13] Suds : Is Ant disagreeing?
[10:57:28 07/08/13] Suds : i'm a little lost here
[10:57:41 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Ant is apparently disagreeing yes.
[10:57:49 07/08/13] antonm1107 : This prevents people from being trapped by a group of enemies, and removes the incentive for running away from battles
[10:57:57 07/08/13] Savato : Ant disagrees, I support the system.
[10:58:29 07/08/13] antonm1107 : because nobody wants to waste energy points on making actual tension
[10:58:43 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : It doesn't prevent people being trapped by a group of enemies because you can still roll a fair few. Just energy will be taken for each one that is rolled and you'll need to be careful how much you roll.
[10:59:00 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Energy DOES hinder creativity
[10:59:09 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Exactly
[10:59:15 07/08/13] Suds : Of course
[10:59:30 07/08/13] Suds : Ant disagrees when I agree /shot
[10:59:32 07/08/13] antonm1107 : people have to be very careful, and they can't unleash their creativity as effectively
[10:59:39 07/08/13] Savato : If you'd be trapped by a large enough group of enemies, fleeing might tire you out too much and you'd collapse. That's what this system tries to replicate there.
[10:59:39 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Again it's up to the RPer what they want to do. Personally if I wanted to be trapped by a group of pokemon i'd still just roll the damn things.
[10:59:44 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Sav just 10 minutes you were against it.
[11:00:07 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : 10 minutes ago*
[11:00:18 07/08/13] antonm1107 : If you want to make a situation in which it's better to run away, you limit the number of battles you'r able to have
[11:00:24 07/08/13] Savato : In the beginning it was 50/50. Thanks to Serene's clarifications and explanations I do support the system now.
[11:01:04 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Actually it's 5/4 Right now for the energy system..
[11:01:07 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Not really, you can make a situation where it's better to run away just from one encounter. You don't need lots of them.
[11:01:11 07/08/13] Suds : ...
[11:01:14 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : 5 being against and 4 being for it
[11:01:32 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Acti supports it as far as I know Mex.
[11:01:34 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Which doesn't include those not voted of course
[11:01:40 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Really?
[11:01:44 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Well 5/5
[11:01:52 07/08/13] antonm1107 : .
[11:01:53 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : No... She never stated it yet...
[11:02:01 07/08/13] antonm1107 : fucking connection
[11:02:02 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Until she officially states it it's 5/4
[11:02:05 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : The base stats in kat's initial post were her idea.
[11:02:06 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : 4/4 actually
[11:02:20 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Ant hasn't stated in the topic either
[11:03:29 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Moreover, it becomes difficult to plan roleplays when you don't know how many energy points you'll have
[11:03:53 07/08/13] antonm1107 : it adds tension for missions, but for every other topic?
[11:03:55 07/08/13] antonm1107 : not so much
[11:04:04 07/08/13] Savato : Why wouldn't you know, how many points you have?
[11:04:23 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Yea ant that makes no sense. You'll always know how many energy points you have.
[11:04:23 07/08/13] antonm1107 : .
[11:04:34 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Because some items take more points away than others
[11:04:42 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : I'm just gonna let Ant handle all of this... Given I already tried...
[11:04:44 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : And you'll be told in the dungeon description how many energy points it takes to get there.
[11:04:57 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Ant is new team captain! -hands flag-
[11:04:59 07/08/13] antonm1107 : .
[11:05:16 07/08/13] Suds : ...
[11:05:16 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Rarer items do yes ant. But they're also rarer
[11:05:38 07/08/13] antonm1107 : and if some items more than others, it's harder to predict what will eventually happen in the main RP
[11:05:47 07/08/13] antonm1107 : yes
[11:05:49 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : And i'll be making it so that items take a maximum of 3 energy points for the rarest item.
[11:05:56 07/08/13] antonm1107 : but you don't KNOW that they'll be rarer until you actually roll the die
[11:06:00 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : That's really not much.
[11:06:12 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : And? You don't know that normally either.
[11:06:13 07/08/13] antonm1107 : that completely fucks with your plans
[11:06:20 07/08/13] antonm1107 : to the point that it becomes harder than usual
[11:06:30 07/08/13] antonm1107 : well, before there was no penalty for getting a supposedly good item
[11:06:37 07/08/13] antonm1107 : or a shit item that happens to be rare
[11:06:40 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Just make sure you spend a lot of time in easier dungeons and build your energy up then ant.
[11:07:04 07/08/13] antonm1107 : it hinders your creativity because there's less character development and the like that you can plan ahead
[11:07:18 07/08/13] Savato : I think he's talking about: "Plan: I'll just get one item and then fight something." "Result: BLEEP! The item is rare, so I don't have enough points to fight anymore!"
[11:07:21 07/08/13] antonm1107 : That makes the whole thing just grinding
[11:07:38 07/08/13] antonm1107 : it makes it into a dull, boring RPG which hinders creativity
[11:07:54 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : You can plan what you RP ahead ant.
[11:08:12 07/08/13] Savato : I think the grinding is actually good. Right now levels do almost nothing.
[11:08:20 07/08/13] Suds : ...
[11:08:28 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : I'm not turning it into a RPG i'm just hidering the amount of items you can find because too many people spam the item dice and get tones of items they'll never use in the search for a rarer item.
[11:08:41 07/08/13] antonm1107 : at all
[11:08:41 07/08/13] antonm1107 : you can't have too much inspiration because there'll be a point in which suddenly you can't RP anymore
[11:08:56 07/08/13] antonm1107 : I'm fine with hindering the number of items
[11:09:00 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : There will now be a penalty for that, and you'll just have to try a few times to get the item you need.
[11:09:05 07/08/13] Suds : I just put in an application for Board Updater
[11:09:07 07/08/13] antonm1107 : but using the same life bar as that which hinders encounters?
[11:09:11 07/08/13] antonm1107 : I CALL BULLSHIT ON THAT
[11:09:15 07/08/13] antonm1107 : and Suds
[11:09:19 07/08/13] antonm1107 : you're not very good
[11:09:29 07/08/13] antonm1107 : you hardly write more than two paragraphs per post, if at all
[11:09:34 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : If that means your character is knocked out in the thread, so be it. No one on the site faints. We need more people fainting.
[11:09:34 07/08/13] Suds : ...
[11:09:51 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Improve before you expect to get a jo-wait
[11:09:51 07/08/13] antonm1107 : sakura got a job, didn't she?
[11:10:02 07/08/13] Savato : Ant, I think you could have been more polite about your opinion.
[11:10:06 07/08/13] Suds : Yes
[11:10:20 07/08/13] antonm1107 : It ruins plans, hinders creativity
[11:10:28 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Bleh. You and Saku never really do anything. I should probably remove you fro the board updaters.
[11:10:35 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : from*
[11:10:37 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : .
[11:10:43 07/08/13] antonm1107 : I could have, but Suds has failed to understand that every single time I told him
[11:10:51 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Well what a shame ant you'll just have to try again.
[11:10:52 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Yeah, remove me
[11:10:58 07/08/13] antonm1107 : I already told you myself that I never do my job
[11:11:12 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : You can't be successful every time you do something and maybe with this new system people will realise that.
[11:11:16 07/08/13] antonm1107 : like, outright
[11:11:31 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Your character can't be successful
[11:11:43 07/08/13] Suds : OMG
[11:11:49 07/08/13] Suds : ANT'S BLUE!@!!!!!!
[11:11:57 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Ah, the beauty of light blue
[11:12:01 07/08/13] antonm1107 : anyway
[11:12:01 07/08/13] Suds : I CAN'T BE BLUE WHEN ANT'S BLUE
[11:12:10 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Yes you can
[11:12:14 07/08/13] Suds : IT BREAKS ALL LOGIC /shot
[11:12:21 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : ._.
[11:12:22 07/08/13] Savato : It's such a strange sight...
[11:12:32 07/08/13] antonm1107 : The whole point of RPing is creating a collaborative story
[11:12:54 07/08/13] Suds : ...
[11:12:55 07/08/13] antonm1107 : but such a story has to be predictable in some way to each party
[11:13:01 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Indeed but besides that Sav...
[11:13:02 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : If you're worried about that you can just not roll very often.
[11:13:21 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Most people actually don't use the items they roll anyhow so what will it matter?
[11:13:27 07/08/13] Savato : Yes, Mex?
[11:13:37 07/08/13] Suds : That will definitely change for me
[11:13:39 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : You don't get the penalty until you roll, and there's no obligation to roll at all.
[11:13:44 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : No just meant to get back to watching thing/
[11:13:45 07/08/13] antonm1107 : .
[11:13:56 07/08/13] Suds : No more randomly finding items everywhere /shot
[11:14:12 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Part of the appeal of the RP is battling
[11:14:28 07/08/13] antonm1107 : and finding items is sometimes used as part of a battle
[11:14:35 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : And? The energy system does not hinder your ability to battle.
[11:14:45 07/08/13] Suds : Jay?
[11:14:54 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : It takes a set amount of energy when you roll the pokemon, but then you deal with that opponent in whatever way you see fit.
[11:15:04 07/08/13] Suds : Can you please check my application?
[11:15:14 07/08/13] antonm1107 : You can't plan things anymore when the energy system is inconsistent
[11:15:16 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : I've said in the thread already there is no health or hits you take per battle. It's just the initial energy lost when you roll the encounter.
[11:15:20 07/08/13] Savato : Yeah, but this system only prevents the "500 Pokémon appeared-all enemies 1HKO'd-500 new Pokémon" battles.
[11:15:30 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : If you're smart you can Ant.
[11:15:41 07/08/13] antonm1107 : It hinders your ability to have interesting battles because you're always afraid of using too many energy points
[11:16:01 07/08/13] Suds : No
[11:16:11 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Again, energy is only lost when you first roll the battle. once the encounter is rolled you can do what you like.
[11:16:17 07/08/13] antonm1107 : You're discouraged from having double battles or having enemies use items
[11:16:18 07/08/13] Suds : Just don't battle a lot
[11:16:19 07/08/13] Savato : Once the battle has started, you won't be losing energy points except by finding items. And there won't be 50 items on one battlefield.
[11:16:35 07/08/13] Suds : encounter*
[11:16:42 07/08/13] antonm1107 : .
[11:16:42 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : You can still have interesting battles because no energy is lost other than the initial amount.
[11:16:54 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Yes
[11:16:57 07/08/13] antonm1107 : I'm aware of that
[11:17:01 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Eg you rolled a pidgey in pecha forest. You lose one energy.
[11:17:06 07/08/13] antonm1107 : The initial amount is still important
[11:17:17 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : You then battle that pidgey and cannot lose any more energy. You do whatever the crap you like and it's fine.
[11:17:20 07/08/13] antonm1107 : .
[11:17:26 07/08/13] antonm1107 : it reduces the possibilities for other battles
[11:17:27 07/08/13] Suds : Wait
[11:17:30 07/08/13] Suds : Jay
[11:17:42 07/08/13] Suds : Can you regain energy through sleep?
[11:17:43 07/08/13] antonm1107 : It also destroys variety due to the lack of locations for characters
[11:17:43 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : If you're worried about not having enough energy ant, then you can level up in the easier dungeons before going to the harder ones.
[11:17:53 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Not unless you use rest, no.
[11:17:54 07/08/13] antonm1107 : THAT'S FUCKING GRINDING
[11:17:55 07/08/13] Savato : It only makes battles against 15 Arceusses and Giratinases at once impossible.
[11:18:00 07/08/13] antonm1107 : THAT'S ROLEPLAYING FOR THE SAKE OF GETTING POINTS
[11:18:02 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : You'd regain like a bit of energy every page you made.
[11:18:12 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : MAKE IT INTERESTING ANT. YOU'RE CREATIVE
[11:18:28 07/08/13] antonm1107 : .
[11:18:32 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : WE HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM ON THE SITE THAT LEVEL FIVE CHARACTERS CAN ACCESS AND SUCCEED IN HARD DUNGEONS LIKE SCORCHFALL DESERT
[11:18:42 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : IT'S NOT WORKING.#
[11:19:00 07/08/13] Suds : ...
[11:19:05 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : WE NEED A SYSTEM IN PLACE. AND THIS WAS THE SOLUTION. COME UP WITH A BETTER ONE IF YOU UST BUT THE SITE WILL CHANGE SOMEHOW TO PREVENT THIS.
[11:19:10 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : MUST*
[11:19:45 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : The whole thing with the energy system was that it helped with multiple other issues on the site at the same time.
[11:19:54 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Roleplaying for the sake of getting points SUCKS. And for legitimate reasons, too; it, again, discourages things such as enemies using items or double battles or having a level one character for RPing purposes
[11:20:09 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : .
[11:20:17 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Alright
[11:20:20 07/08/13] Savato : It allows you to have a realistic Lvl. 1 character.
[11:20:39 07/08/13] antonm1107 : different health systems, and instead of the usual 5 topics per character, the topic limit is a health bar in itself
[11:20:40 07/08/13] Suds : ...
[11:20:49 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : But ant, you're criticizing everything about the energy system, but you're not giving me a way.
[11:21:00 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : That doesn't help anything anton.
[11:21:11 07/08/13] antonm1107 : each location has varying amounts of 'health' and you can't RP past the limit
[11:21:30 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : That makes absolutely no sense though.
[11:21:47 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Items have their own health system - a limit around 'one per page per character'
[11:21:48 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : And how would you gain health?
[11:21:58 07/08/13] Suds : This reminds me of when I was young, and my parents were fighting all the time
[11:21:59 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Ant that just sounds stupidly complicated.
[11:22:03 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Like honestly.
[11:22:09 07/08/13] Suds : Just that I'm not scared this time /shot
[11:22:09 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Alright, scratch the former
[11:22:18 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : It sounds like it would be harder to keep track of than just energy for your character.
[11:22:24 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Health is kept for only one topic
[11:22:43 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Energy is given back to you once you finish the thread.
[11:22:53 07/08/13] antonm1107 : and how's it complex compared to a universal health bar among every single topic?
[11:23:01 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : It doesn't roll over to the next thread.
[11:23:11 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : I have no clue how an issue was so bad and so unrepairable a different way it became this...
[11:23:12 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Confuckulations. Still complex in my book
[11:23:26 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Bam, another reason why I'm against it
[11:23:30 07/08/13] antonm1107 : discourages multiple threads
[11:23:49 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : How does it discourage multiple threads?
[11:24:00 07/08/13] Savato : Why would it discourage multiple threads=
[11:24:03 07/08/13] Savato : *?
[11:24:03 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Honest to god you are making no sense to me right now.
[11:24:04 07/08/13] antonm1107 : .
[11:24:09 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : At all.
[11:24:15 07/08/13] antonm1107 : You subtract 5 points for every topic you make
[11:24:22 07/08/13] antonm1107 : so if you want to make two topics, that's 10 points
[11:24:27 07/08/13] antonm1107 : and if you have a health bar of 20
[11:24:40 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : And a health bar between threads would get complicated because it would have to grow. And then people might be able to make like 4000 threads in the easier ranked dungeons.
[11:24:45 07/08/13] antonm1107 : you only have 10 hp left to do things with
[11:25:14 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Which means it does not help at all. If anything it just freaking complicates the systems we already have in place.
[11:25:17 07/08/13] Savato : Each thread has their own health bar if I understood everything correctly.
[11:25:17 07/08/13] antonm1107 : That's why you should separate the in-topic health bar and the out of topic health bar
[11:25:39 07/08/13] antonm1107 : You DO have a health bar in between threads
[11:25:41 07/08/13] antonm1107 : look at that shit
[11:25:55 07/08/13] Suds : ...
[11:25:57 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Each area you create a topic in, will SUBTRACT a certain amount of energy from your character. Like going to pecha forest could take away none while shadowhue takes away 5 energy and it could go higher and higher with the difficulty of the dungeon. This is the energy it took to GET TO the dungeon.
[11:26:00 07/08/13] Suds : Jay...
[11:26:08 07/08/13] antonm1107 : or maybe I'm misreading
[11:26:13 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : But the out of topic health bar would need to grow for you to access harder dungeons. But in doing so would give oppourtunity for more and more threads in easier dungeons. Which makes no sense.
[11:26:15 07/08/13] Suds : When you have the time...
[11:26:23 07/08/13] Suds : Can you look at my app?
[11:26:26 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : No we don't have the bar between threads.
[11:26:27 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Fuck, I was misreading
[11:26:32 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : That energy counts for the thread you use there.[11:26:42 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : You just have 5 less energy when you enter the thread.
[11:26:48 07/08/13] Savato : Yes, that means, that if you have 20 HP and one thread in a -5 region and one thread in a -10 region, you'd have 15/10 HP for the thread itself.
[11:26:56 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Which means to access harder dungeons you need to be more powerful.
[11:27:00 07/08/13] antonm1107 : I made that suggestion with the assumption that the health bar was in between threads
[11:27:01 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : And have more energy.
[11:27:12 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : No it's not.
[11:27:53 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Then instead of an energy bar, a hard limit to the amount of battles for every five pages
[11:28:07 07/08/13] antonm1107 : like 3 battles for every five pages, in order to encourage longer battles
[11:28:23 07/08/13] antonm1107 : note the difference between battle and pokemon
[11:28:23 07/08/13] Suds : ...
[11:28:31 07/08/13] antonm1107 : a long battle indicates a difficult one
[11:28:44 07/08/13] Suds : HJow long has this gone on now?
[11:28:57 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : .
[11:29:00 07/08/13] antonm1107 : similarly, a hard limit for items
[11:29:18 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Since 10:52 EST Suds.
[11:29:34 07/08/13] antonm1107 : the energy system is needlessly complicated when taking into account much simpler possibilities
[11:29:50 07/08/13] Savato : A hard limit for items might make missions impossible with enough bad luck though.
[11:29:59 07/08/13] Suds : It's gone on for almost 40 minutes...
[11:30:02 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : ^What Sav said.
[11:30:08 07/08/13] Suds : Brb
[11:30:11 07/08/13] antonm1107 : .
[11:30:19 07/08/13] Savato : See ya, Suds!
[11:30:22 07/08/13] antonm1107 : I don't see how so
[11:30:33 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : I love how I'm documenting every tiny bit of the chat at this point...
[11:30:35 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Oh, wait, for items right?
[11:30:43 07/08/13] Savato : Yep.
[11:30:43 07/08/13] Suds : XD
[11:30:45 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Because you might have to then do a ten page thread for what would have been a mere three page mission.
[11:30:46 07/08/13] antonm1107 : ONE ITEM PER PAGE HARD LIMIT
[11:30:47 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : I feel like a photographer...
[11:30:48 07/08/13] antonm1107 : BAM
[11:30:49 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Which is completely unfair.
[11:30:51 07/08/13] Suds : Bck
[11:30:54 07/08/13] antonm1107 : PEOPLE ARE ENCOURAGED TO ROLEPLAY LONGER
[11:30:55 07/08/13] Savato : Okay, that would work.
[11:31:16 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : WHat if you have to find more than three items for an F ranked mission? Again. Unfair.
[11:31:22 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Or, upon reaching the needed amount of pages
[11:31:30 07/08/13] antonm1107 : you increase the limit to three
[11:31:35 07/08/13] antonm1107 : and remember that it's per character
[11:31:43 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : YOu could simply not allow F ranked missions to have too many items.
[11:31:46 07/08/13] antonm1107 : so if there are two people, they get two rolls with a hard limit of one
[11:32:06 07/08/13] antonm1107 : and 6 with a hard limit of 3
[11:32:12 07/08/13] Suds : ...
[11:32:12 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : The problem is ant the energy system actually fixes more than just these issues. As well as giving more use for items like oran berries since they can increase energy. And more use for shops and the like becaue items will be harder to find.
[11:32:28 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Not increase energy, regain energy*
[11:32:33 07/08/13] antonm1107 : whereas battles are shared experiences, and the limit is shared between them
[11:32:53 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : So you buy oran berries, you can regain your energy. You just need to be properly prepared for your thread and you won't go wrong.[11:33:25 07/08/13] antonm1107 : And at the same time devaluing their roleplay usefulness
[11:33:47 07/08/13] antonm1107 : because such items can't be used in any way other than for eating
[11:33:55 07/08/13] antonm1107 : unless you want to waste a free energy point
[11:34:01 07/08/13] Suds : ...
[11:34:11 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : How is that making them less useful?
[11:34:22 07/08/13] Savato : And that would make things more realistic.
[11:34:22 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : They have no purpose as of yet and just rot away in peoples bags.
[11:34:37 07/08/13] antonm1107 : You can't have an enemy use an oran berry to regain energy while you're weakened in order to amp up the tension
[11:34:49 07/08/13] antonm1107 : from a roleplay perspective
[11:34:52 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Yes you can ant. There's nothing saying you can't do that.
[11:35:09 07/08/13] Suds : Over 40 minutes of Ant's almost useless criticism on everything about the energy system
[11:35:11 07/08/13] antonm1107 : you can still DO that, you're just discouraged from doing so because of the energy system
[11:35:21 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Not all of it is useless Suds
[11:35:29 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : This part is.
[11:35:34 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Sheesh...
[11:35:36 07/08/13] antonm1107 : you're discouraged from doing anything but eat that shit because if you don't, you waste energy
[11:35:44 07/08/13] antonm1107 : and I provided alternatives
[11:35:52 07/08/13] antonm1107 : suds
[11:35:59 07/08/13] Suds : I said ALMOST
[11:36:13 07/08/13] antonm1107 : perhaps you could tell me where I went wrong, and what the virtues of the energy system are, suds?
[11:36:25 07/08/13] Suds : ...
[11:36:32 07/08/13] antonm1107 : That's still insulting
[11:36:39 07/08/13] Suds : I haven't seen all of it
[11:36:42 07/08/13] antonm1107 : I'm stating my reasons as to why I'm against it
[11:36:56 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : YOu've made your opinion before seeing all of it?
[11:37:05 07/08/13] Suds : But I can infer that it's almost useless with criticism on everything
[11:37:07 07/08/13] Savato : I think Serene had already listed the virtues.
[11:37:11 07/08/13] antonm1107 : and you go ahead and say that it's almost bullshit without providing any views to prove it
[11:37:35 07/08/13] antonm1107 : I was talking to suds
[11:37:50 07/08/13] antonm1107 : who has done nothing to contribute except tell me that I'm shit without any explanation
[11:38:27 07/08/13] Savato : I don't think the two of you should be that harsh on each other.
[11:38:29 07/08/13] antonm1107 : .
[11:38:30 07/08/13] Suds : Nothing has really come out of this except a long chatbox
[11:38:43 07/08/13] Suds : In my opinion
[11:38:50 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Welp I just posted another point about items being more useful in the actual thread.
[11:38:53 07/08/13] antonm1107 : I believe in harshness, but only informed harshness
[11:38:55 07/08/13] antonm1107 : suds is uninformed
[11:39:01 07/08/13] Suds : ...
[11:39:03 07/08/13] Savato : All that does is disturb the forum peace without contributing.[11:39:19 07/08/13] antonm1107 : they're useful from a game standpoint
[11:39:39 07/08/13] Savato : You may be right, but you should both do it without using insults.
[11:39:43 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : There is a possibility we stop this for a bit?
[11:39:52 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Let everybody calm down.
[11:39:59 07/08/13] antonm1107 : their value is reduced (or perhaps, what value it has is discouraged?) in a roleplaying standpoint
[11:40:02 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Re-learn where the subject lies, look up info.
[11:40:08 07/08/13] Savato : Thanks, Mex.
[11:40:26 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Or just plan or fashion think about it for a bit before posting again?
[11:40:35 07/08/13] antonm1107 : .
[11:40:46 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Most people never let opponents use items anyways anton. And it wouldn't stop me from doing so.
[11:41:24 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : So Everybody's calmed.
[11:41:26 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Sweet.
[11:41:30 07/08/13] antonm1107 : for example
[11:41:30 07/08/13] antonm1107 : People don't use oran berries after a hard, long battle because their energy has already regenerated
[11:41:43 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Personally if I thought it was something interesting to do, i'd just do it. If the rest of the site doesn't want to, then sucks to them I guess.
[11:41:52 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : DAng it
[11:42:03 07/08/13] antonm1107 : that's another way the system discourages item usage in unorthodox means
[11:42:12 07/08/13] antonm1107 : .
[11:42:24 07/08/13] Savato : I think you could have an enemy throwing Blast Seeds around without it taking any of your HP away unless you find one for yourself.
[11:42:39 07/08/13] antonm1107 : I'd do it too, but I'd be discouraged from doing it because of the energy system
[11:42:52 07/08/13] antonm1107 : .
[11:43:00 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : If you;d do it anyways ant then what's the problem?
[11:43:02 07/08/13] Suds : ...
[11:43:20 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : So be it if people are a little discouraged from doing so. If they want to do it, they'll still do it.
[11:43:29 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : The moments I wish I could calm a chat down...
[11:43:34 07/08/13] antonm1107 : .
[11:43:40 07/08/13] Suds : Jay
[11:43:47 07/08/13] Savato : I guess it can't be helped, mex.
[11:43:50 07/08/13] Savato : *Mex
[11:43:57 07/08/13] antonm1107 : then when I do it, I suddenly have fewer opportunities to battle because I wasted that berry
[11:44:13 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Well that was your choice ant.
[11:44:14 07/08/13] Suds : When we're done with this little long argument....
[11:44:28 07/08/13] antonm1107 : so even if I considered it worth it, it's still not as good as being able to have interesting battles AND using berries in an unorthodox manner
[11:44:30 07/08/13] Suds : Can you clear the chat
[11:44:39 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : In essence this is a pointless argument because people will do whatever they want with their items.
[11:44:52 07/08/13] antonm1107 : fun = reduced
[11:44:58 07/08/13] Suds : Less than 10 minutes until it's been an hour long argument
[11:45:01 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : If they want an enemy to use one, they'll have an enemy use one. If they're discouraged and don't then they won't.
[11:45:07 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Why clear the chat Suds?
[11:45:14 07/08/13] antonm1107 : why would you wanna clear the chat?
[11:45:20 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Wel if the fun is reduced for you go find another site or just do it anyways ant.
[11:45:24 07/08/13] Suds : Because
[11:45:25 07/08/13] Savato : So noone else sees this and revives the argument.
[11:45:39 07/08/13] Suds : Nvm
[11:45:50 07/08/13] antonm1107 : so basically, it costs extra to make their opponents tougher and, consequently, their battles more interesting
[11:45:53 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Sav nobody could possibly revive an argument but only the two original people who made it
[11:46:15 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Not really.
[11:46:25 07/08/13] Savato : If the new people take the others' positions they could I guess.
[11:46:29 07/08/13] Suds : Actually
[11:46:30 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : No one said giving an opponent an oran berry made the opponent tougher and the battle more interesting.
[11:46:34 07/08/13] antonm1107 : yes, really
[11:46:41 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : It would be a completely different argument then
[11:46:44 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : There are many ways in order to do that. NOt just using items that you'd rather use yourself.
[11:46:49 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Plus arguments don't just happen.
[11:46:53 07/08/13] antonm1107 : it gives players more opportunities to make the battle interesting
[11:47:01 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : I still think this is a really pointless argument
[11:47:17 07/08/13] Savato : Serene, a question. If I would battle an enemy, could I randomly give it a Blast Seed that it would throw at me as long as I don't get to use the item?
[11:47:17 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : It has been for a while...
[11:47:21 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : AGAIN I ALREADY SAID IF A PERSON WANTS TO DO IT THEY CAN DO IT THERE'S NOTHING FREAKING STOPPING THEM. IF NOT, THEN DON;T.
[11:47:33 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : And I'm on the side of against
[11:47:33 07/08/13] antonm1107 : you are suddenly denied so many possibilities (or are at least discouraged from them) because of the energy system
[11:47:34 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Yes Sav that is perfectly fine.
[11:47:46 07/08/13] Savato : Good. Then the argument really is pointless.
[11:47:56 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Thankyou,
[11:48:00 07/08/13] antonm1107 : so you mean it doesn't cost an energy point
[11:48:04 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Moving on. For fuck's sake.
[11:48:06 07/08/13] Suds : ...
[11:48:19 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : If the enemy uses it and you don't then it costs you nothing.
[11:48:23 07/08/13] antonm1107 : .
[11:48:41 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : But if you rolled to find it, it still costs you energy.
[11:48:51 07/08/13] antonm1107 : Then I have no objections with the energy system as of now
[11:48:56 07/08/13] antonm1107 : oh
[11:48:58 07/08/13] antonm1107 : BACK TO ARGUING
[11:48:59 07/08/13] Savato : WoO!
[11:49:11 07/08/13] antonm1107 : the enemy uses it, but you still have to find the item that the enemy uses
[11:49:36 07/08/13] antonm1107 : discourages players from more unorthodox battles
[11:49:45 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Sav you were so close
[11:49:49 07/08/13] Suds : This is a pointless argument, now
[11:49:51 07/08/13] antonm1107 : doesn't prevent unorthodox battles, but they're still discouraged heavily
[11:50:04 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : If you rolled it, you use up the energy. But you can spawn an item that the opponent has and uses, but as long as you don't use it or obtain it, you don't lose energy.
[11:50:25 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Every Argument has a reason Suds and that Reason can change a lot.
[11:50:26 07/08/13] Savato : No, Ant. You only pay energy if you roll for an item, that you'd get to use after the battle. As long as you don't ever get the item, you could give your oponent a Griseous Orb or a Thunderstone or whatever.
[11:50:38 07/08/13] Suds : No one, not even me and my sister, can keep an argument like this having points for an hour
[11:50:48 07/08/13] antonm1107 : that's even worse
[11:51:04 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Suds welcome to th einternet.
[11:51:08 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : The internet*
[11:51:13 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : HOW THE MOTHER FUCK IS THAT WORSE?
[11:51:31 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : SON OF A FLYING ASS MONKEY I AM SO DONE WITH YOU AND YOUR POINTLESS ARGUMENTS,
[11:51:33 07/08/13] antonm1107 : enemies can start off with anything
[11:51:38 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : I HATE ARGUING.
[11:51:39 07/08/13] antonm1107 : be it an oran berry or a whatever
[11:51:50 07/08/13] antonm1107 : and if they're established as having that from the start, that's fine
[11:51:52 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : YES BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
[11:51:59 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : THE RPER FUCKING CHOOSES.
[11:52:01 07/08/13] Suds : It's been an hour long argument now
[11:52:13 07/08/13] Savato : What Serene says and has said.
[11:52:17 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Suds we know that...
[11:52:21 07/08/13] Suds : Ant
[11:52:27 07/08/13] antonm1107 : I still believe in the much simpler system of hard limits
[11:52:40 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : I don't want hard fucking limits because it's unfair to those doing missions.
[11:52:42 07/08/13] Suds : You REALLY got Jay angry
[11:53:03 07/08/13] antonm1107 : I don't see how
[11:53:14 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : That happens Suds... Anger is inside everybody.
[11:53:17 07/08/13] Suds : I can't remember the last time Jay was swearing like this /shot
[11:53:22 07/08/13] antonm1107 : How can hard limits be unfair to mission goers in any way?
[11:53:29 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Different things let it go.
[11:53:49 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Because if you have limited items per page, and people have to find a certain amount of items, there may not be enough chances for a person to find the items they need within the page minimum of the mission.
[11:53:50 07/08/13] antonm1107 : .
[11:54:07 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Therefore the mission cannot legitimately be done in that lower page limit and it is shitty of whoever made it to advertise as such.
[11:54:16 07/08/13] antonm1107 : and the energy system doesn't do that?
(At This point I was tempted to just go and eat my ramen noodles and give up on the argument copy pasting...)
[11:54:35 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : No because you can regain energy
[11:54:38 07/08/13] Suds : ...
[11:54:43 07/08/13] antonm1107 : yes
[11:54:52 07/08/13] antonm1107 : you regain like one energy per page, if I remember correctly
[11:54:53 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : You just need to kit yourself out before you go exploring. Like a smart explorer.
[11:55:11 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : No because oran berries and such would regain energy too.
[11:55:35 07/08/13] Suds : Ant is as oblivious as a glass of water
[11:55:36 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : And then you come across th enew USers with 0 poke and can't buy a thing
[11:55:49 07/08/13] antonm1107 : and you don't see how the energy system itself is also unfair because people cannot predict how many times they'll have to roll
[11:55:51 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : Suds can you please stop with these smart comments?
[11:56:00 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : the new Users*
[11:56:00 07/08/13] antonm1107 : because each roll costs different amounts of energy
[11:56:04 07/08/13] * Suds turns into a flyy
[11:56:07 07/08/13] Suds : fly*
[11:56:11 07/08/13] Suds : Nope
[11:56:19 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : But you can regain energy and roll more.
[11:56:24 07/08/13] Suds : I'm just a smartass X3
[11:56:27 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : With a hard limit you can't. You just have that limit.
[11:56:27 07/08/13] antonm1107 : you don't see that fallacy from a mile away
[11:56:50 07/08/13] antonm1107 : A hard limit per page means one item per page per character
[11:56:52 07/08/13] Savato : In an actual expedition you could be surprised by a sudden Hydreigon and be really exhausted afterwards without having known about it before.
[11:56:55 07/08/13] antonm1107 : encourages group RPing
[11:56:56 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Energy requires you to be tactical.
[11:56:59 07/08/13] antonm1107 : and long battles
[11:57:10 07/08/13] MexterInfinite : At this point I want the argument to end but I also want to see how long it goes...
[11:57:34 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Also people doing missions actually have the energy cost for items permanently lowered to one.
[11:57:44 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : During that mision.
[11:57:46 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : mission*
[11:58:04 07/08/13] antonm1107 : so much
[11:58:07 07/08/13] antonm1107 : you don't see how that can be abused
[11:58:16 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : I'm sorry ant but i just feel like every argument you bring up is pointless.
(Does Nobody Know the whole "No Argument is Pointless" thing?)
[11:58:17 07/08/13] antonm1107 : that was supposed to be reversed
[11:58:28 07/08/13] antonm1107 : I'm pointing out flaws
[11:58:43 07/08/13] antonm1107 : and attempting to provide alternatives
[11:58:47 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : I can see how that would be abused yes ant.
[11:59:01 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : And none of your alternitives have been useful as of yet.
[11:59:11 07/08/13] Savato : I'd keep the cost for items up in missions as well. Otherwise one might just take a mission, spam more items and then intentionally fail or something.
[11:59:13 07/08/13] antonm1107 : how is a hard limit not useful?
[11:59:17 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : I have said multiple times however that this is not final. We still need to think things through.
[11:59:31 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : Right fine, mission costs are not lowered, done dusted no more abuse.
[11:59:34 07/08/13] * Suds puts on music in an attempt to ignore the argument
[11:59:44 07/08/13] Savato : Welcome!
[11:59:50 07/08/13] Suds : Yo
[12:00:00 07/08/13] antonm1107 : hi wisty
[12:00:01 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : I CONSIDERED A HARD LIMIT BEFORE AND DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA I AM SO FUCKING ED UP OF THIS SHIT JUST LEAVE ME ALONE.
[12:00:02 07/08/13] Suds : Ant got demoted
[12:00:04 07/08/13] Wistuffly : Hello! I'm probably not sleeping anymore, So I can keep "drawing".
[12:00:07 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : FED*
[12:00:27 07/08/13] antonm1107 : I literally asked meeper to demote me
[12:00:38 07/08/13] Suds : Plus there was an hour long argument
[12:00:42 07/08/13] @ SereneLittleRose : GOd freaking damn
[12:00:52 07/08/13] Wistuffly : Is yellow not cool enough?